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#76
11-04-2009, 09:34 PM
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The teaching of Chinese said, when one doesnt know and cant making sense no matter how hard one uses his mind. One needs to go and learn from a teacher. You know, go get a legitimate Qigong sifu and learn the basic about Qigong practice; then come back and chat. Talk about Chi Sau how to use the body....structure.....etc forget about it if one cant will the qi. learn from those who knows. check out start 1.40/2.16. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0tLYajHBm8 Last edited by Hendrik; 11-04-2009 at 09:51 PM. 
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#77
11-04-2009, 10:03 PM
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#78
11-05-2009, 12:48 PM
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It is the difference in culture to some extent, and it is more about old Chinese wives tales and myths. Say a man gets shot in the chest by a large caliber gun. In old Chinese terms you would say, he was shot, and it disrupted his chi, causing it to back up or drain off and it killed him. In more western terms you might say, this guy got shot, and it busted him wide open and he bled out and died. Either way, the dude is dead as dead can get. In Pro. Chengs description he states that when you move, your chi moves with you. This is correct. You step a foot or 2 off to one side and naturally your chi will go with you. It is contained within your body. It flows from your very core, where your very existance began however many years ago. It rediates outwards through the body and flows to your skin, out the arms and legs to the finger and toe nails, even to your hair, if you have any. It must have a continuance in order to flow, So it slows back under and meets again at the core. This chi is developed or created within your own body and can not be drawn from any other source. The western concept of this is simple. They know that in order to be able to even move, the body must make and burn energy. The more activity, the more energy that you have to have because you are going to burn more. It is something that is taken for granted for the most part, even among the Chinese. The old Chinese tried to explain this process in different terms. welling up your energy so that you can have more of it, then willing it to where you want it. Now this aspect I agree with and disagree with. You can not just will it. But you can focus it. You can sort of relax, but not completely or you will fall to the ground. You can focus this energy along the line of your movement in order to expend greater force, but this takes practice and it also requires your technique to be correct. Without that part of it, chi is wasted energy. Chi is something that if you had your pockets full of it, you still might be searching for it. If you are looking for something that can not exist, you will never find it for obvious reasons. Chi is the energy that is within every living body. Without it, you would cease to exist. It is not some supernatural power, and if that is what a person seeks, then he will never find it. Years ago, at different times, I recieved cut injuries to my hands. One was very extensive and the other almost so. In both cases, where the cuts occured, it was across the flow of energy, or chi. It remained disrupted for a long time, but eventually it was again flowing. Fingernails grow at a regular rate for the most part, and in a length of time that it would have taken my thumb and forfinger nails to grow a length from the cut to the cudicle, the nail blackened and fell off. This happened first to the thumb, then the forefinger a couple of months later. The same happened when the other hand was injured. If it had occured on the underside of the hand it might not have happened, But the blades went all the way through. This in itself would indicate that the chi flow is extremely slow, but it really isn't. Your tissues must then also flow.
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11-05-2009, 01:24 PM
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There are no hard solid facts for its existence. Otherwise it would have been at some point all over the news and it would have been a major research subject in all reputable universities of this world... As far as I know, that hasn't happened yet. 
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11-05-2009, 03:49 PM
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We've been through this too much.
Chinese used the term "Qi" to discuss a phenomenon of change and discussed it in an eloquent way. You have many kinds of Qi: Da Qi - Big Qi of the planet, the air you breathe Zong Qi - The Qi in your Chest Zhen Qi - the Proper Qi Ying Qi - Qi flowing in the channels Gu Qi - Qi of the grain/food you eat Wei Qi - your defensive Qi - basically, your energetic field surrounding your body Yuan Qi - Qi that your parents gave to you This is all in the paradigm of Chinese medicine and metaphysics. By judging it solely by "scientific" proof, well, you have a problem in translation and judging a world view that explained phenomena for thousands of years before "science" was born. And let's not forget "science" is another paradigm of observing nature. Many martial artists have no real understanding of Qi...
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11-05-2009, 05:08 PM
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Translating languages can be difficult to say the least. I do find the Chinese language to be very interesting in the imagery/metaphors they use to convey ideas.
Take the ideogram for "peace" which is the ideogram for 'woman' written under the ideogram for 'roof'. Some think its because one woman in a house represents peace not two. The Chinese have quite a sense of humor. Again the character for 'good', is compose of the ideograms for 'woman' and 'child' written together. Qi (hei in Cantonese) can be used to convey attitude & mood. 'Ke' in mandarin means guest, and put together with the word qi means 'polite'. A Cantonese friend would use the phrase (forgive me if I spelled it wrong) cau hei (stink air) which if I remember correctly means 'grouchy'. So in recognizing how the Chinese language works, you can see that you can't take things too literally. "Sink your qi (air) to the dan tian (loosely translated: center)" could represent an idea. IMHO, being calm and centered results in your breathing being long and deep. Just a suggestion. Last edited by dirtyrat; 11-05-2009 at 05:17 PM. Reason: none
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#82
11-05-2009, 08:20 PM
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That was only the few first words of a complete novel that followed. Did you by chance read beyond that?
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11-06-2009, 12:09 AM
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11-06-2009, 12:42 AM
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this is not correct. Sink your qi to dan tian means exactly sink your qi to dan tian. So what is it? Qi once evoke is a heat ball or heat flow. Sink is similar to a wood slowly sinking in the water. So, sink your qi to dan tian means the qi which was evoked sink slowly/naturely similar to the wood slowly sinking to the dan dien. After one practice qigong properly, this happen as it is. It certainly not the air or breathing into low abdoment or deep breathing. In fact at this time the breathing is so light that it almost no breathing. On the other hand, when mis practice, some forcefully pressure the lower abdoment while breathing. That is not sink qi to dandien but pressure breathing to dan dian area. These above must be clear. miss a little off a thousand mile.
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#85
11-06-2009, 02:13 AM
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wow hendrik. Not only do you know everything, you know exactly what some guy hundreds of years ago meant. Sorry dude but the are many ways you can interpret what that means. Strange that you pretray yourself as a scholar yet are so sure that you know everything. I thought being a scholar meant being open to other ideas that dont just go with your preconceived theory.
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11-06-2009, 08:11 AM
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11-06-2009, 09:29 AM
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Just because you dont know it doesnt mean it doesnt exist. I know exactly what it is because I have lots of sifus in this area and that is just the first mile stone in Qigong practice. So, for those who is using Qigong to heal themself, this is a phenomenon will surface. You know, human should learn to be compassionate? Stop those intepretation BS there is no democratic reasonaing about an attainment. You arrive in that state you know. For those who have stomach problem, This first mile stone will strengthen the stomach and the kidney. So the first fifth stanza of Yik Kam SLT kuen kuit said, the Qi meeting in Dan Dien, Ren medirian, sink. That is the state. the qi evoke and slowly and naturally sink to the dan dien. if you cant do it, baisi to a good legitimate qigong master to let him coach you to this state. then, only then you can said "oh, now I can do the fifth stanza." Some asked me why do I have so many sifus, sure, because each sifu help me to understand and coach me to attain a state. That is the shortest path to know what the ancient writing is about.
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11-06-2009, 09:33 AM
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RC, That is forsure. the dangerous part is one think one knows but one not.
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11-06-2009, 02:26 PM
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It can feel a little strange in the beginning. HW108
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11-06-2009, 03:12 PM
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I am not so sure what we talk about is the same thing. you need a legit sifu to verify for you. A word of caution is that seeking heat sensation and sometimes forcefully create it via stress of mind is one of number one cause for mis-practice Qigong. Qi sometimes is cool and light instead of heat. So nothing fix. One needs a teacher.
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