Qigong as Medicine

[taai gihk yahn]

Originally Posted by Hendrik

To all, I decide to post here because the Thread says " Qigong as Medicine". There are people dying ; There are people who needs help with their health.
What I post is to share to those who like to know qigong and medicine a direction and a bottom line of what is going on.

LOL, bullsh*t! you are so full of bullsh*t it is coming out of your ears - you are such a dolt, it is laughable! you cloak yourself in some sort of altruistic "I am just here to help" guise, but look at your first three posts on this thread:

Originally Posted by Scott R. Brown

No mind, no path, no IS!

Originally Posted by Hendrik

Dead as a ROCK or Dry Wood. How can that be the way?

Originally Posted by Nexus

No path, no mind, only Is.

Originally Posted by Hendrik

Dead water cant have any dragon.

Originally Posted by Skip J.

or.... one track mind??????

Originally Posted by Hendrik

mind and thoughts got nothing wrong as soon as one is not unknowingly trap by them.

I'm sorry - please explain what ANY of these statements, all clearly intended to correct what you believe to misguided perspectives of the posters in question, please explain what ANY of them have to do specifically with helping people with their health via the practice of qigong?

Originally Posted by Hendrik

I careless for those who likes to be expert and likes to argue for nonsense or philosophical.

unbelievable! that is EXACTLY what your initial three posts on this thread do! you present yourself as an "expert" who comes on to argue someone else's belief system (a.k.a. philosophy; and you can nit pick and split hairs and try to propose how system thinking is different from a philosophy all you want, but sorry to say, it's essentially the same thing)
nope, sorry, no one here is buying it, because it's not about helping others, it's about Hendrik being right, being the expert, and demonstrating everyone else's lack of proper perspective - AND YET NEVER BEING ASKED TO DO SO - don't you get it?!? you think you are being so beneficent, but the reality is that no one has asked you to come here and "teach"; but you just can't seem to help yourself, LOL - you don't come here to discuss, you come to preach! and what's more you typically do so in such a cryptic not to mention grammatically obtuse manner that even when you have something of benefit to share, it gets lost in the process;
you might want to take a moment and reflect on the way in which people like Krisnamurti, Chogyam Trungpa, Ticht Naht Han and my teacher Sat Hon manage to convey their message to thousands of people from disparate cultures, communicating the same message you are trying to convey, and yet do not engender the same sort of response that you consistently get from pretty much everyone on here; at what point are you going to take a step back and realize that when you consistently receive a certain type of response it might actually have something to do with you, not everyone else?
regardless of what your intentions may be, you come across as a know-it-all who presumes to instruct and does so in a rather condescending way; and you still don't get it that no one is here to receive instruction or to give it, but to simply engage in discourse in an open-ended manner - meaning that we come with our particular perspectives, yet without any particular attachment to them, "testing" them out against other ones, having some fun in the process; you, OTOH, jump in every time essentially indicating how these perspectives we hold are incorrect; and often the only rationale you give is because you say so! which basically makes you not much fun to play with at all, really;

you may want to consider finding an alternate venue in which to help others

[Scott R. Brown]

Originally Posted by Hendrik

This is the best evidence on your experience isnt it?

hahaha, human.

As your comments reflect your experience too then huh?

Is this the manner in which you present your respect for all people?

I thought you didn't come here to argue, but to bless all mankind with your beneficence?

Once again instead of condescending to others, how about demonstrating your own "evidence of experience"?

AND once again, instead of making an asinine statement that says nothing at all about what I have posted, please demonstrate where I am in error so that I may benefit from your "respectful" comments!

[Hendrik]

Classical case of No mind, no path, no IS! Dead as a ROCK or Dry Wood by Wo Lun.




One Bhikshu was reciting Dhyana Master Wo Lun verse:


Wo Lun has the talent
To stop the hundred thoughts:
Facing situations his mind won’t move;
Bodhi grows day by day.


When the Master Hui Neng heard it he said, “This verse no understanding of the mind-ground, and to cultivate
according to it will increase one’s bondage. Then spoke this verse:


Hui Neng has no talent
To stop the hundred thoughts.
Facing situations his mind often moves;
How can Bodhi grow? ---------------six patriach sutra

[Scott R. Brown]

Originally Posted by Hendrik

Classical case of No mind, no path, no IS! Dead as a ROCK or Dry Wood by Wo Lun.

One Bhikshu was reciting Dhyana Master Wo Lun verse:

Wo Lun has the talent
To stop the hundred thoughts:
Facing situations his mind won’t move;
Bodhi grows day by day.

When the Master Hui Neng heard it he said, “This verse no understanding of the mind-ground, and to cultivate
according to it will increase one’s bondage. Then spoke this verse:

Hui Neng has no talent
To stop the hundred thoughts.
Facing situations his mind often moves;
How can Bodhi grow? ---------------six patriach sutra

You are clueless when it comes to real swimming even though you might read lots and lots of books.

Why settle for less and trap yourself in the books?

[taai gihk yahn]

Originally Posted by Scott R. Brown

You are clueless when it comes to real swimming even though you might read lots and lots of books.

Why settle for less and trap yourself in the books?

The silence is deafening...

[Scott R. Brown]

Originally Posted by taai gihk yahn

The silence is deafening...

What??

[taai gihk yahn]

Originally Posted by scott r. Brown

what??

:d

pay attention!!!

[Scott R. Brown]

Originally Posted by taai gihk yahn

pay attention!!!

I couldn't hear you because "The silence is deafening.....!"

[GeneChing]

The full article is online - follow the link

Impact of Medical Qigong on quality of life, fatigue, mood and inflammation in cancer patients: a randomized controlled trial
B. Oh1,2,3,*, P. Butow2, B. Mullan2, S. Clarke1,3, P. Beale1,3, N. Pavlakis1,4, E. Kothe5, L. Lam6 and D. Rosenthal7

1 Department of Medicine, Concord Repatriation General Hospital, University of Sydney, Concord
2 Center for Medical Psychology and Evidence-based Decision-making, School of Psychology, University of Sydney
3 Sydney Cancer Center, Concord Repatriation General Hospital
4 Department of Medical Oncology, Royal North Shore Hospital
5 School of Psychology, University of Sydney
6 School of Medical Sydney, Notre Dame University, NSW, Australia
7 Dana-Faber Cancer Institute, Harvard Medical School, Boston, MA, USA

* Correspondence to: Dr B. Oh, Department of Medicine, Concord Repatriation General Hospital, University of Sydney, Concord, New South Wales 2139, Australia. Tel: +61-2-90-36-78-26; Fax: +61-2-93-51-54-88; E-mail: bsoh@med.usyd.edu.au



Background: Substantial numbers of cancer patients use complementary medicine therapies, even without a supportive evidence base. This study aimed to evaluate in a randomized controlled trial, the use of Medical Qigong (MQ) compared with usual care to improve the quality of life (QOL) of cancer patients.

Patients and methods: One hundred and sixty-two patients with a range of cancers were recruited. QOL and fatigue were measured by Functional Assessment of Cancer Therapy—General and Functional Assessment of Cancer Therapy—Fatigue, respectively, and mood status by Profile of Mood State. The inflammatory marker serum C-reactive protein (CRP) was monitored serially.

Results: Regression analysis indicated that the MQ group significantly improved overall QOL (t144 = –5.761, P < 0.001), fatigue (t153 = –5.621, P < 0.001), mood disturbance (t122 =2.346, P = 0.021) and inflammation (CRP) (t99 = 2.042, P < 0.044) compared with usual care after controlling for baseline variables.

Conclusions: This study indicates that MQ can improve cancer patients’ overall QOL and mood status and reduce specific side-effects of treatment. It may also produce physical benefits in the long term through reduced inflammation.

cancer, fatigue, inflammation, mood, quality of life

[taai gihk yahn]

Originally Posted by GeneChing

The full article is online - follow the link

doesn't seem to have compared the MQ group to a control group doing exercise of a non-MQ qigong nature...so all we can really say is that when you have cancer doing MQ is better than doing nothing...and since the MQ was being assessed in terms of its impact on mood and an inflammatory marker, we can't even say anything about its impact on cancer per se, we just see the types of changes that have been well-documented in people who engage in pretty much any sort of exercise program, qigong or otherwise;

[TaichiMantis]

Hmmm...someone should do a study on Dr. Nan Lu

http://breastcancer.com/self-care/qigong/

[GeneChing]

More results coming?

Pain study targets fibromyalgia
RICHARD WOODBURY FOR METRO HALIFAX
November 09, 2009 11:13 p.m.

A study at Dalhousie University is looking at the effect practising a traditional Chinese meditative practice has on fibromyalgia sufferers.

“Our patients are learning how to do qigong and then we’re asking them to practice qigong for 45 minutes to 60 minutes a day,” says Dr. Mary Lynch, the director of research at the Pain Management Clinic at Dalhousie. “And we’re going to measure their pain and how they manage with their fibromyalgia.”

Qigong (pronounced chi-gong) involves using body movements and controlled breathing techniques.

“(Fibromyalgia) causes a tremendous amount of suffering and there are really no good treatments for fibromyalgia right now,” says Lynch.

“We’re always looking for new treatments that patients can do themselves that are not harmful,” she says.

The pilot trial at Dalhousie was in 2007 and the results have since been published. Twelve of the 25 patients who continued practising qigong for six months after the trial had positive results.

“Their pain almost came down, their fibromyalgia impact questionnaire measures improved, and their physical health related quality of life improved,” says Lynch.

Wanting to study it in more detail, the clinic has one trial on now and is looking to recruit another 100 people for a trial in the spring.

Another pain study at the university is looking at the impact art and creative pursuits have on chronic pain. Lynch hopes to have the results published by late summer 2010.

“The data has not been analyzed,” says Lynch, “but I can tell you that my clinical impression, just from what my patients who are artists tell me, is that art and pain can interact in two ways.”